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Tristan Kalogeropoulos
15 Nov, 2008

eGames 08: Dissecta Panel

PALGN Feature | Censorship, Ratings and the state of the industry.
The Dissecta panel began with some thoughts on its beginnings and some ruminations on some of the group’s achievements and the work of founder Tim Richards, who recently passed away. Tim’s passion for increasing the capacity of Australia’s gaming industry was noted along with the hard work he contributed to the continuing battle to gain a R18+ rating for the medium.

The panel consisted of Mike Bantick of IT Wire, Jason Hill, whose work graces the pages of The Age newspaper and his Screenplay blog, and rounding up the group, Matt Burgess of Australian Gamer.

Much of the panel centred on censorship, starting with the Australia’s lack of an R18+ rating for videogames. Mike discussed a recent report showing that “upwards of 80 percent” of parents are present when their children are purchasing games and the new possibilities that parental locks on consoles offer. He postulated that bringing the videogame ratings in line with those of film would protect children, reducing the amount of games with mature content “shoehorned” into the current M rating. Stating that he believed that the industry would be then more “self regulating” if an R18+ rating was introduced, he felt that companies would aim more towards the M rating as a means of gaining greater amounts of sales. Jason added that a discussion paper coming out of the Standing Committee of the Attorneys-General (SCAG) would be released before the end of the year, followed by a public consultation process. He urged people to remain vocal about the issue in order to force the current government to look at changing the ratings system.

It was noted that lobbying power of film groups was more powerful than that of games, with Mike suggesting that this was partially the result of the general perception of videogames as being a medium for kids, even though, according to those on the panel, the average age of a ‘gamer’ is 31. Both Jason and Mike were optimistic that these perceptions are changing slowly.

Manhunt 2: One of the higher profile victims of Australia's lack of R18+ rating.

Manhunt 2: One of the higher profile victims of Australia's lack of R18+ rating.
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The group also looked at the general censoring of the internet and the current government plan to filter ‘inappropriate’ and illegal content. Matt spoke on the issue, stating that it has been proven that this filtering is ineffective along with the fact that many have postulated that it will decrease overall speeds by 2-80 percent. He also raised concerns that those opposing this mandatory filtering have been labelled supporters of child porn when in fact there are far more issues involved.

At one stage the discussion shifted to how the current economic climate may impact on the gaming industry. Matt spoke to the fact that the low price of the Australian dollar may in fact cause overseas investment in the country’s industry to increase. Jason went on to add that many people will actually put off large purchases such as expensive holidays and direct their money instead to games and other forms of media which cost much less overall. Mike felt that we may see some more of the larger global companies consolidate their studios further. He noted that these companies will most likely focus on “safe titles”, such as sequels, that they know will sell. Jason added that in the current climate it is difficult to obtain loans and that this may impact on smaller Australian developers.

When the issue of the consolidation of Australian developers came up Mike spoke about his discussions with local companies who “surprised and pleased” him by informing him that they already “cross pollinate” in an informal manner, sharing their ideas and thus preventing the local industry from becoming stale. Jason noted that over the last few years Australian developers have excelled in creating small, innovative, “world-class” titles such as Puzzle Quest and de Blob.

The panel closed with a light hearted question asking the panellists to choose between Guitar Hero: World Tour and Rock Band. Unfortunately for the new kid on the block there was a resounding vote for Activision’s Guitar Hero title.

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6 Comments
3 years ago
Its funny, that point about the whole net filter thing, and if you oppose it, the fact that its supporters will label you as a child pornographer or something was a point I made with a bunch of mates the other day.

I hope that with groups like these our (the freakn majority's) voice can be heard. Its ridiculous that a small group of conservative idiots get to make decisions that affect us all, but then again isn't that always the case... icon_sad.gif
3 years ago
What a completely different slant you get when people who know what they're talking about. Have an important discussion about some crucial areas of the gaming industry in Australia.
The gaming industry tends undersells itself a bit from recent memory it was a billion dollar industry in Australia. Why shouldn't the industry have enough power to lobby government for crucial recognition and change.
The average age of a gamer is 31 that's so cool. Surely no one can say it's a entertainment source for kids with that statistic
With the Clean Feed proposal how about the government invest more money into the federal police to create a cyber crime division if they already know the worst of the worst websites. Rather than choke our already farcical Internet speeds.
How many car accidents are there every day. The federal government doesn't mandate that all cars be speed locked at 100Km.
Now that I've mentioned it they probably will.
Which is exactly what they're doing with the web filter rather than doing proper police work they're trying to do no work and make us all suffer.

THAT'S BULLSH*T

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3 years ago
I just feel Australia is going down a path it can't get out of. Its a sad day when the government "wants" to do the parenting job for us. This should never have got to this stage imo. I know i have said this before but it just feels like we are at school, if one person stuffs up the whole class suffers. icon_sad.gif what can you do. For anyone who says we are Free hahah i laugh thats all i do. Also for anyone who says this is the best country i laugh even more hahah.

IMO

we will never get a R+ system because Australains thinks video games are for kids and they don't like change.

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3 years ago
Let's hope the points raised don't go unnoticed. It's good to hear some knowledgeable people with credible and valid opinions talking about an issue rather than conservative idiots like Michael Atkinson.
3 years ago
You know what i love and i hope many many other companys come out and do:

http://www.iinet.net.au/about/news/internet_filtering.html

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iiNet and Internet filteringHome About News iiNet and Internet filtering
The Australian government has stated that it believes that some form of mandatory internet filtering is desirable. It says that illegal material should be blocked from access.

Many others in the community have said that they disagree with this approach, either for technical reasons or on principle. The government has now said they will make a decision based on the results of a filtering trial with ISPs which should start on December 24, 2008.

iiNet has serious concerns about the usefulness of both filtering and also a trial. iiNet does not believe filtering is the solution to the government's objective.

There are (at least) three general areas where shortcomings of the filtering proposal are obvious. These are also the reasons iiNet opposes the proposed filtering:

1. It doesn't work.
Because people who distribute illegal material are motivated to find ways around attempts to stop it. This may be by peer to peer (P2P) distribution, chat rooms or simply by constantly changing the address (URL) at which the material is accessed.

Because people who seek this material will find ways to bypass the filtering. In 2006, the media carried reports of a teenager who openly and publicly 'cracked' the government's attempt to block access to illegal material. The whirlpool site currently has a discussion thread running where several people are reporting they have already taken the challenge of bypassing the proposed filters and who are confident they will publish their success. This is now a game to those people who are skilled in bypassing restrictions, they do not seek the illegal material, just the opportunity to prove filtering can be bypassed.

Because it will not be accurate. Previous experience has shown filters will block material that should not be blocked and will allow material which it should not.

2. It will impact on the performance of internet networks.
We know this to be true, because an additional processing load will be placed on the ISP networks to look up blacklists and/or perform other filtering tasks.

Individuals will also see degraded performance, probably proportional to their internet bandwidth. We have yet to run the trial, but dial-up, satellite and low speed broadband customers will probably be the most affected.

3. The scope of the filtering will expand.
The government has said 'The pilot will specifically test filtering against the ACMA black list of prohibited internet content, which is mostly child pornography, as well as filtering of other unwanted content'. iiNet believes 'unwanted content' can be interpreted to mean anything the government of the day wants. This is absolutely unacceptable. We have no objection to appropriate legal process, but will not accept that an anonymous government official will make a call on the basis of his or her own judgement.

The addition of additional web sites that someone in Canberra determines are 'unwanted' but which may not be illegal, is a high probability and must be avoided. Apart from arbitrarily categorising subjects and websites as 'unwanted', there is also the possibility that other forms of censorship or interception will emerge.

Trials run in Sweden illustrate how this could be a problem. After the commencement of the trial, Police requested additional (P2P) trackers be included in the trial. To their credit, the Swedish trial was abandoned after considerable controversy.

Those are the reasons iiNet believes the trial is pointless.

So why are we volunteering to take part?

The Minister is not listening to the industry, believing instead that politically, this is a good thing to do. Whether it works or not. We will participate in the trial so that we can make sure the public, the media and the political players in this country are well informed and realise that it is bad policy.
We will publish our results. We are a big ISP and we will have good statistics to prove this is an ill-advised path to pursue.
We will continue to promote parental guidance of children.s access to the internet as the best, most effective way to protect children from 'unwanted material' which will be different from household to household. Governments should not take the role of parents.
We hope that the outcome of this trial will be the final nail in the coffin of this misguided approach, which seems to re-surface with every new minister.
We will continue to be a good corporate citizen, co-operating with law enforcement agencies, as required by law.
We encourage all Australian citizens to either contact their local member of parliament to express their concerns.
They may also wish to contact the Minister's office to ensure he is informed as to their point of view.

Senator the Hon Stephen Conroy
Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy
Deputy Leader Of The Government In The Senate,
minister@dbcde.gov.au
Tel: 03 9650 1188
Fax: 03 9650 3251
Now i hope to hell more and more companies come out and say thing. Good move imo from iinet!
3 years ago
Remember what Howard tried to do last year? A 13 yo cracked the problem in 5 minutes. Censorship does not work and it infringes on the rights of people who don't necessarily watch kiddy porn, maybe theyre journalists wanting to research terrorist information or crime rates or whatever. The reality is once you start IT WONT STOP. It will get worse and worse and worse. Pretty soon it WILL be as bad as China or Singapore, im sure Rudd doesn't appreciate the open critisizm of his governments performance and IF HE CAN HIDE IT YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEY WILL DO IT. Wikipedia last year? Hey it happened, was it Howards page that was edited more often than any other corporate / government wiki page in that sting.
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