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12 Mar, 2010

EveryonePlays: What God and Video Games have in common

PALGN Feature | So, who really needs the protection?
Protecting Children from Mature Games.

That’s what the numerous Christian and family groups think that they are doing by opposing the introduction of an R18+ rating. Last week, they claimed that video games have a worse effect than smoking. According to the cited study, video games are meant to have a greater impact on aggressive behaviour than smoking does on lung cancer. What they (conveniently) didn’t say was that this claim made in the academic study, has since been refuted several times.

On Thursday, they dug up the latest study from Professor Craig Anderson, who has been key in this field, examining the link between violent media and aggressive behaviour for many years now. This latest study was meant to be the largest ever, with a sample size of over 130,000 children under 16, of both Eastern and Western origin. As such, the Christian groups are using the findings of this study not only to oppose the introduction of an R18+ rating, but to question their right of sale in Australia.

This is the sort of behaviour that the ‘normal people’ have come to expect from these politically motivated groups, who in this case, will have powerful support from SA Attorney General Michael Atkinson, who also happens to be a staunch Catholic. Sure, their intentions are probably in the right place. They may genuinely want to protect the children. However, it’s disappointing that they’re taking a stance that not only makes no sense, but looks like they’ve simply attached themselves to the sensationalist headline rather than really examine the whole picture.


Just who is protecting the children?

Just who is protecting the children?
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At PALGN, we’ve extensively read through Anderson’s study (while we’re not psychologists, a background in statistics is all that is needed to understand what is going on) and we’ll have a full summary of it coming in the next few days, along with the opposing arguments. However, there are three aspects that are seemingly ignored by these groups:
  • In statistical jargon, ‘significant’ only means that the result is different from zero. Just because a finding is ‘significant’, doesn’t mean that it will have a large impact. So in this case, while violent games are found to have an effect on aggressive behaviour, it doesn’t mean that it is a large and/or impacting one. Not to mention, Anderson and his colleagues “never said it was a huge effect”.
  • The groups and politicians that cite this study seem to ignore the policy suggestions made, probably because the study does not make any mention of increased censorship and actually recommends something that requires more effort – responsibility and education.
  • Though completely expected, the advocates of this study completely ignore the possibility that there are numerous other studies rebuking the findings here. If there are parties arguing on both sides, why is THIS study right but the others are wrong? Is it simply because the other studies don’t support their point of view?
Clearly, the Christian lobby groups are running with the (opportune) headlines, without understanding the full implications of the study. Though in reality, would you expect any better? Apart from this, these guys obviously haven’t read our article on why EveryonePlays has a different message.

Following the public consultation by the Attorney Generals (which incidentally has received the most interest in the history of Australian public consultations) interest has spiked in this issue from all sections of the community. However, when you review the facts that have been stated in our EveryonePlays article, you can’t help but wonder why the interest groups and politicians take the stance that they do. Since 2003, 570 games have been released throughout Europe with the equivalent of an R18+ rating. The vast majority of those games have been released in Australia with an MA15+ rating, with a relative sprinkling of those modified or banned. Chances are that if you ask someone on the street, they won't even realise that Australia doesn’t have an R18+ rating for games. They assume that games have the same system as movies and DVDs. Oops.

Clearly, the situation is flawed and kids are being exposed to mature games. There are two solutions that you’d imagine would rectify this. On the one hand, the long overdue R18+ rating ought to be introduced. Then, everyone will know that these games are not suitable for children, and no one will be able to feign ignorance. The alternative, is to have the Classification board really clamp down on the ratings, which is inevitably what the politicians and interest groups will latch onto. And again, this goes against the policy recommendations spelt out in Professor Anderson’s study, which they seem to otherwise desperately cling onto.

What the politicians and interest groups clearly haven’t considered is the potential impact to the Australian gaming industry that such a secondary move would have. These 570 games are likely to contain massive selling franchises such as Grand Theft Auto, Gears of War and Call of Duty. If all these flagship titles were to be banned, could you imagine the devastation to both the retail and development industries in Australia? There are over 500 gaming retail outlets (not including general retailers) and several burgeoning developers in Australia that would simply not be able to cope, as the groups interested in these games, namely the high percentage of adults (often tech savvy, single and with high disposable incomes) and international companies take their dollars overseas instead. And when you consider that video games have more money running through them than DVDs (according to iGEA), this is no 'drop in the ocean' amount that we’re talking about, nor an insignificant number of potential job losses.

Just what is the cost of censorship?

Just what is the cost of censorship?
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As Professor Anderson said in 2003, the effects of media violence (not just video games) have been debated for over 40 years. If these effects are really that bad, why is the debate still running? Furthermore, those who have not fully accepted Anderson’s findings across time claim that video games are the ‘new kid on the block’ and the ‘latest scapegoat’, just like action movies and comic books were in the past. Even so, we were surprised when we learned of the findings in a study by Professor Brad Bushman in 2007.

The religious groups will no doubt either feign ignorance or vehemently object to this when directed to Bushman’s study “When God Sanctions Violence: Effects of Scriptural Violence on Aggression”. Using similar methodology to the studies that examine how violent media (including video games) affects aggressive behaviour, the findings tell us that violent passages from the Holy Bible do have a “significant” causal effect on aggressive behaviour. This effect was especially prevalent for ‘believers’ and from any violent passage that directly mentioned God. This is not only the same effect found from playing violent video games, but from exposure to just about all violent media.

Just so you know, Professor Bushman is no mug. He has extensively worked with Professor Anderson on a number of his video game violence and aggressive behaviour studies over the years. This includes the development of the ‘General Aggression Model’ used to model aggressive behaviour following exposure to violent media. As a recognised academic, his results must be taken into consideration, just as much as anything produced by Professor Anderson. Now while the parties who have a conflict of interest in these findings will likely resort to (currently unproven) arguments such as ‘games have a greater effect because of interactivity’ (in the process, probably ignoring the thousands of children’s re-enacting bible passages, such as the Stations of the Cross over Easter litergies), we’d really appreciate some consistency and balance.

God's words or Kratos' anger? Both seem to make us aggressive.

God's words or Kratos' anger? Both seem to make us aggressive.
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Surely, if the Christian groups are serious about protecting children, the next appropriate move is to censor the bible and other religious texts? Surely, children shouldn’t be exposed to material that had a ‘significant’ effect on aggressive behaviour, let alone be the foundation to much of their formative education? If censoring games, R18+ movies and internet commentary is deemed appropriate, surely Michael Atkinson ought to be consistent and move against the bible’s violent passages next? After all, the word of God is surely more influential than Master Chief, Niko Belic, Marcus Fenix or even Kratos?

Of course not.

And not because the Christian groups will deny it or because someone like Atkinson will oppose it. Regardless of whether you actively practice your religion or whether you are an atheist, there is no point getting ridiculous about this. The fact is, censorship may be popular to some groups, but just like people need to be educated about the bible and its contents, so too do they need to be educated about video games. Education is a much more powerful tool protection tool than censorship. That’s a fact. Just like prevention is better than a cure. And what better way to educate (and empower, for that matter) parents and protect children from mature games than with the simple introduction of an R18+ rating?

In the coming days, PALGN will be providing you with a comprehensive summary of the studies that surround this issue, articles demonstrating the inconsistencies in the current classifications, as well as numerous ways that you can protect children from mature games NOW. Until then, the best thing that you can do is read about the issues here on PALGN, check out the EveryonePlays website and head to your nearest GAME store to sign a petition supporting the introduction of an R18+ rating. If you already have, make sure you explain the situation to as many people as you can. Chances are that the religious groups have already made up their mind about the issue, so it’s up to you to stand up and be heard, and show that you are taking the right steps towards protecting children from mature games.

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37 Comments
1 year ago
Probably not the best comparison.
1 year ago
It makes a point. Religious zealots give the more sane minded faith followers, whatever the faith or extent, a bad name.
1 year ago
C'mon... seriously?

I agree with the points made in the article - and with the previous EveryonePlays ones I read - but the tone consistently seems kinda... petty. Isn't the purpose of these articles to sway new people to our side of the argument? We need to be fighting with facts and logic, surely - not, for eg,

PALGN wrote
Clearly, the Christian lobby groups are running with the (opportune) headlines, without understanding the full implications of the study. Though in reality, would you expect any better?
See, first sentence - fine, agreed. Second sentence - comes across as snarky. There are a couple of those types of things in the article. The kind of language I'd expect from the Aus Christian Lobby, not you guys.

Again, on board with what you're saying - just try to lift the tone - God knows somebody has to!
1 year ago
Bonus points for Monty Python imagery, they're invincible!

Can't help but think it's entirely loony to take aim at biblical processes however, since they have a book to read from and infer when and however it suits to then play the holier than thou card which auto trumps reason & logic through books having pages that are old.

And revised.

And made slightly less manly and more in tune with the womanly side of it.

And translated into English.

But old none-the-less!

Plus the sheer fact that taking aim at elements of the catholic demographic is in effect taking a swipe at the entire country regardless of what the last census stated, is not going to go down on any sort of level, let alone around Saint Patrick's Day and the lead in to rebirth of the Jewish Zombie (and I use the term Jewish loosely because he's rather white and doesn't wear a hat. Definitely a zombie though, no questions asked, especially with the flesh eating and blood drinking.)

In closing I would like the bible censored, as a Daniel I hate writing, and lions, let alone someone writing that a Daniel fought lions in a den. It's not scary at all, he should be censored to Spartacus, for I am Spartacus! And that would be an epic tale to spin!

Quick query though; is there anything stopping PALGN from emulating a census during the campaign much like the previous Australian census in 2006? Since studies do like to revel in the fact that psychological effects must mandate infliction upon society, it could prove beneficial to perhaps provide a census on the "effects" socially of a gamer or signee of the R18+ rating and if there is such a tenuous link between psychological breakdowns and impact on society.

All well and good to pick apart other peoples results without attempting to garner some yourself if able.
1 year ago
PALGN wrote
Surely, if the Christian groups are serious about protecting children, the next appropriate move is to censor the bible and other religious texts? Surely, children shouldn’t be exposed to material that had a ‘significant’ effect on aggressive behaviour, let alone be the foundation to much of their formative education? If censoring games, R18+ movies and internet commentary is deemed appropriate, surely Michael Atkinson ought to be consistent and move against the bible’s violent passages next? After all, the word of God is surely more influential than Master Chief, Niko Belic, Marcus Fenix or even Kratos?
Found this paragraph kinda sad and a cheap shot and most of hypocritical

First you say that they dont see the proper viewpoints, they dont read/do the studies properly and so on. But then you turn around and say something like that.

A game simulates the person killing someone else, it graphical. Alot of games are made just to kill people, and its people killing people. So you cant compare it to god and the bible.

Now, i dont agree with what they're saying about games, but this article is an attack.
1 year ago
I agree it is an attack. What worse is even the word "Christian Group" will make people be angry with ALL Christians, not just a selected few minority Christians that formed those loud group to attack video games. Not all Christians oppose R18+, no matter how much people think... not all Christians appears to be Christians too, there are Christian gamers too, Christians who loves science, the list goes on!

Article mentioned family groups, no attack on them at all? You know, for balancing sake...

Poor.
1 year ago
Yeh sorry guys, this one isnt really doing it for me.
1 year ago
Island_Wolf wrote
I agree it is an attack. What worse is even the word "Christian Group" will make people be angry with ALL Christians, not just a selected few minority Christians that formed those loud group to attack video games. Not all Christians oppose R18+, no matter how much people think... not all Christians appears to be Christians too, there are Christian gamers too, Christians who loves science, the list goes on!

Article mentioned family groups, no attack on them at all? You know, for balancing sake...

Poor.
First I would like to express my bias on this, as I have a deep hatred for religion in general and the Christian religion especially. You can thank the Catholic Church & my upbringing in that cult for that.

No offense but attacking Christian Groups being in "bad taste" because it puts moderates in that camp is no excuse to shelter them from criticism. They have been hiding behind the moderates as a criticism shield for too long and most people know better.

The likes of Jack Thompson and Michael Atkinson do not genuinely have their hearts in the right place, like Fred Nile, Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell its imposing conservative (i.e. "you cant do this") values for the sake of itself, having a very high opinion of themselves and wanting people to think just like them. Believing in what they say does not equate to them having their hearts in the right place.

Atkinson deep down knows his stance is likely not fair and not just, however studies conducted by credible universities (i.e. not the American south) just get ignored of being 'bias' or paid off. My non-gamer friend is actually reading alot of peer reviewed material on this issue and has also noticed the majority of the studies that she has read that is critical of game violence have one of the following traits (traits I find common, however my bias as an anti-theist and a gamer I feel like I have way to strong of a bias to have a credible opinion)

* Originated at universities in southern US states (i.e. Bible Belt)
* Has backing by church groups or those that have a known negative bias (Michael Atkinson and the Australian Christian Lobby are 2 local examples)
* Is written with an implied bias that the negative viewpoints are already proven and explains on unproven points in the realm of psychology to base their arguments on.
* Some are not even submitted to the peer review process and just publish their books through non academic channels and rely on the media.

These are traits that are common with what I call the "Faith over Facts crowd". Other movements that apply these tacts include the Intelligent Design movement, a movement I have been.

Research and evidence should always be able to stand up to scrutiny, however these Christian groups always try to reply by attacking your character. (i.e. comparing gamers to criminal bikie gangs) which is usually a sign of bad research and bad science.

Im done ranting.
1 year ago
There seem to be a few reactive posts in response to the article. Seriously take the time to process what you have just read. I know people are emotionally invested in this but wouldn't you rather take the time to add a credible argument.

I'd like to take the time to address two counter arguments to the article I am struggling to take seriously.

ArcherGrave wrote
A game simulates the person killing someone else, it graphical. Alot of games are made just to kill people, and its people killing people. So you can't compare it to god and the bible.
I completely agree. Many more people have been killed in the name of God than in the name of video games. You cannot compare them.

While you may have thought the author's argument was petty, I think you may have missed the point. The author was using the antagonist's logic. Though it appears posters believe the author has stooped to the antagonist's level in doing so.

I think you took a great risk by calling the attacking the author and calling him a hypocrite, and then later citing the article as an attack.

Island_Wolf wrote
I agree it is an attack. What worse is even the word "Christian Group" will make people be angry with ALL Christians, not just a selected few minority Christians that formed those loud group to attack video games. Not all Christians oppose R18+, no matter how much people think... not all Christians appears to be Christians too, there are Christian gamers too, Christians who loves science, the list goes on!
You could have added weight to you argument by speaking out against these "minority Christians' and standing for your beliefs. " You know, for balancing sake..."
1 year ago
Hmm Shugoo, account made march 13th, 1st post...

As for people being killed in God's name, that doesnt have much relevance.
You can make a game where you kill people in God's name, and they will still argue out against the game.

And yes these Christians should be viewed as minorities, i know so many hardcore Christians who love games and are pushing for R18+ ( even dressing up as zombies haha )
1 year ago
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Hmm Shugoo, account made march 13th, 1st post...
Care to expalin how this validates you in any way?

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As for people being killed in God's name, that doesnt have much relevance.
So why did you bring it up?
1 year ago
Uh correct me if I'm wrong but is not the inherent argument being that further regulation would not only impact society negatively but further blur the moral lines of the individual be they man or child? Similar notions of psychological "poison" are then very relevant to the discussion as is then any previous impact on society and it is largely amazing that the argument once again sways toward "oh it's the minority" "it's a small amount" given the subject material.

People killing in Gods name is very relevant to the discussion of social impact because that is the exact claim made by proponents against; people killing in the name of games. For arguments sake there is very little difference between "God" and "Games" as they are both simply conduits for people to form opinions.

For arguments sake, religion has been around a long time and subsequently been warped and twisted beyond recognition, it does however have a far bigger body count than games could ever imagine, so speaking argumentatively it is thereby a greater threat to the safety of society than gaming is at present since it breeds division and therefor friction and has been used as justification for genocide in the past.

Do remember the argument is based on influence of psychological patterns and considering a fair few religions require indoctrination at birth, that is a rather heavy dose of psychological bombardment on an individual through religion alone before you factor in any further influence by any external stimuli.

If the games told me that car jacking was A-OK it would be entirely similar to a passage in bible reading "and lo should thine chariot be vacant taketh and be merry for the bounty".

The difference is that one would have had centuries to become a staple in every day lives.
1 year ago
Shugoo wrote
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Hmm Shugoo, account made march 13th, 1st post...
Care to expalin how this validates you in any way?

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As for people being killed in God's name, that doesnt have much relevance.
So why did you bring it up?
1. It doesnt validate me, i never said it did, but it raises the questions of you

2. I didnt bring it up, you did, you said people have been killed in God's name and i countered that saying that it does not have relevance here

Edit: its not about gamers killing people, its about them being more violent and reading a religious text that states someone was killed/died does not install violence in people, ( Christians atleast ).

Now i dont agree that games make you more violent, just telling you that there is a difference.
1 year ago
Thankyou for at clarifying your stance.

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1. It doesnt validate me, i never said it did, but it raises the questions of you
How so? Ask away.
1 year ago
I do agree with having a R18+ if it means stopping the game from being wrongly classified, especially with games that has 17+ ratings overseas being shoved into MA15+ rating here and is going to be treated like a R18+ film in stores. Even my other half agrees with this and I am speaking as a gamer who only ever got affect by the classification with the Oblivion recall for having a file in the game disk to make nudity possible in the game.

Those religious group may be vocal as to what they stand for but as a gamer and a Christian, as some forumer here I believe will feel the same way, we have to be put through all these anti-Christians rants while it should just be TARGETTED those groups, not Christians as a whole.


The reason why I had a problem with attacking is because it was unnecessary and cannot see how this will benefit the cause.
1 year ago
ArcherGrave wrote
Edit: its not about gamers killing people, its about them being more violent and reading a religious text that states someone was killed/died does not install violence in people, ( Christians atleast ).

Now i dont agree that games make you more violent, just telling you that there is a difference.
Like I stated, targeting religion is a slippery slope because by and large the arguments are ideological and the faith mongers automatically play the moral card to quell any opposition.

I do like the argument though, it's about games being "more violent" as opposed to "reading" violence in a book deemed holy, if this truly the argument then the argument has already been lost, twisted and thrown to the wayside.

It is about people and their interpretations when presented with an ideology.

Gamers have the ideology of a fantasy landscape which can at times blur reality int he mentally disturbed of vindictive and ruin is delivered to others in such cases. This is the underlying fear behind any decision of protection because to protect you must fear something happening to stand against it.

This is no different to how religion or those who use it to justify their cause have acted int he past and continue to do so in the future. In both cases it is the minority, in both cases the same arguments are used, but it very much has to do with just what gamers are capable of if they choose to take it out on the public.
1 year ago
Flea wrote
Religious people have the ideology of a fantasy landscape which can at times blur reality in the mentally disturbed or vindictive and ruin is delivered to others in such cases.
Fixed to my liking.

Not that some gamers are not mentally disturbed now, but I argue that it kinda goes both ways icon_smile.gif
1 year ago
Fly wrote
ArcherGrave wrote
Edit: its not about gamers killing people, its about them being more violent and reading a religious text that states someone was killed/died does not install violence in people, ( Christians atleast ).

Now i dont agree that games make you more violent, just telling you that there is a difference.
Like I stated, targeting religion is a slippery slope because by and large the arguments are ideological and the faith mongers automatically play the moral card to quell any opposition.

I do like the argument though, it's about games being "more violent" as opposed to "reading" violence in a book deemed holy, if this truly the argument then the argument has already been lost, twisted and thrown to the wayside.

It is about people and their interpretations when presented with an ideology.

Gamers have the ideology of a fantasy landscape which can at times blur reality int he mentally disturbed of vindictive and ruin is delivered to others in such cases. This is the underlying fear behind any decision of protection because to protect you must fear something happening to stand against it.

This is no different to how religion or those who use it to justify their cause have acted int he past and continue to do so in the future. In both cases it is the minority, in both cases the same arguments are used, but it very much has to do with just what gamers are capable of if they choose to take it out on the public.
Oh ok, so do you actually know where your getting your information from? whats your reference?

If your talking about the crusades, then that isnt in the bible

I agree with you that a gamers mind becomes fantasy, were getting off topic here, im on your side except that i dont think christian religion needs to be targeted.
1 year ago
Like a few others I'm definitely divided on this article. You've made some excellent points as far as the recommendations being ignored.

Putting that aside though, one thing that really struck me as odd about the article is the actual lack of naming of the various "Chrisian lobby groups" within the article itself(beyond the graphic for the Australian Christian Lobby). Sure, some are mentioned within the links but not everyone is going to take the time to read those in-depth and as it is it may comes across as a generalisation to some even if you didn't have that intention at all. Island Wolf did a pretty good job of summing that aspect of it up. Anyone not familiar with the issue and lacking the time to read the links could draw a bunch of different conclusions as to who you are talking about. Are you talking about just the Australia Chrisitan Lobby? Family First? The Uniting Church? Has George Pell himself been quoted as saying anything directly about video games? As well as that it seems that there is a blurring of "Christian Lobby Groups" and "religious groups". Should people take that to mean that people representing Islam, Judaism etc. also have lobby groups which are objecting to video games in a similar way to the Christian lobby groups?

I'm not saying this to attack your stance as I do agree with a lot of what you've said in this article but I can't help but feel that you would have strengthened your overall argument and put less people here offside if you specified exactly which lobby groups you were talking about.
1 year ago
Agree or disagree, there's really no point trying to attack fundamentalist Christian lobbys, or any fundamentalist group, because they're not going to listen. Its a waste of time better spent banging your head against a wall.
1 year ago
i was expecting the article to simply say "They're both make-believe".
1 year ago
I'd be looking forward to the in-depth rebuttal if PALGN editors weren't so unashamed in their bias, as well as their contempt of Michael Atkinson. Your arguments are made weaker for it. 'The Facts' was pathetic journalism and made me tempted to switch to IGN.

I'd like to see PALGN editors be more like journalists and less like lobbyists. Please incorporate the principle of charity into your arguments. It makes you far more accessible and convincing instead of coming across as anti-religious hatemongers. I've been trying to listen to you guys but off-hand misrepresentations of arguments make me feel like I'm no better listening to you than I am the lobby groups.

Within the second line, you've already managed to put me off reading the article with the statement, " Last week, they claimed that video games have a worse effect than smoking". They didn't do that.

I hope to see the standards pick up a bit.
1 year ago
As a christian (Roman-Catholic), I do feel kind of attacked by this article.

I think the author could've been a little less 'anti-christian'.

I feel that if we were to come across to the public as a civilised and forward thinking group of people, then we should be wording our arguements carefully when we talk about christian groups.

This is still a largely christian nation.
1 year ago
I'm not a fan of religion but this was a really poorly thought out article that won't help our cause.
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