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14 Jun, 2007

British PM: Sony "must have some sense of responsibility"

PS3 News | Backs Church of England in Resistance dispute.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair has chimed in on the Sony vs Church of England dispute, and appeared to agree with the Church's complaints over Sony depicting Manchester Cathedral in Resistance: Fall of Man without prior consent.

Blair was confronted about the issue at Wednesday's Prime Minister's Questions by Tony Lloyd, the Member of Parliament for Manchester Central. "When large organisations like Sony find their copyright has been breached, they're very quick to use the law," Lloyd pointed out to the PM.

"Would the Prime Minister agree with me then that when Sony used images of Manchester Cathedral as part a game which extols gun violence, this was not only in bad taste but also very, very insulting to not simply the Church of England, but people across the land who think it's inappropriate that big corporations behave in this way?"

In reply, Blair adopted pretty much the same line, telling Parliament, "I agree with my honourable friend. I think it's important that any of the companies engaged in promoting these types of goods have some sense of responsibility and also some sensitivity to the feelings of others. I think this is an immensely difficult area, the relationship between what happens with these games and its impact on young people.

"I've no doubt this debate will go on for a significant period of time, but I do agree," he continued. "I think it is important that people understand there is a wider social responsibility as well as an interior responsibility for profits."

So, the Church of England, the British Prime Minister - the question is, whose hackles can Sony raise next? Answers on a postcard, please.

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27 Comments
4 years ago
Tony Blair = Nintendo Fanboy?
4 years ago
now where did I park that bandwagon,
4 years ago
I think it's quite obvious that very few people who throw in their 2 cents on the subject have any knowledge of what the game is about.

It's really a shame that this medium of ours requires, not only a minor degree of intelligence, but also a certain amount of effort in order to substantiate these kinds of claims.

Any one of us who, upon hearing of such an event, would immediately seek out a copy of the game and fire it up to witness the offending scene... or at very least, check it up on Wikipedia.

I somehow doubt Tony Blair went home and asked his son to try out his copy.

I agree with Mr. Blair that companies have a "social responsibility." Just as politicians have a responsibility to check their facts before they launch into a tirade without having done any kind of research into the matter. He, and many others, seem to be under the impression that Resistance is some kind of gang-warfare simulator, when in actual fact, it's more along the lines of Independence Day and War of the Worlds - neither of which faced this kind of condemnation for featuring public landmarks.

He's also perpetuating the myth that video games have a "monkey-see-monkey-do" effect on people, and despite anecdotal evidence contradicting this (e.g. gamers don't all go on mass-killing/car-stealing rampages), there's no scientific evidence that the effect of playing video games differs from any other kind of media.

This is not to mention the fact that the actions taken in the game (in perspective) are not only not "in bad taste," but commendable. To my mind, clearing a holy site of infernal alien creatures with an assault weapon is no different to Jesus clearing the tax collectors out of the temple with a cat o' nine tails.

It's a good thing Jesus isn't around to pull that kind of stunt in this day and age... He'd get crucified.

/rant
4 years ago
^ Crucified! Ahaha, nice one!

I can't believe there is even a debate about this. Even if it wasn't a battle with aliens and it was a shoot out in some John Woo style/Max Payne type game where the player shoots actual people, that still doesn't matter cause you know what...its a **** computer game for godsake.

Films don't cop this kind of ****. What about all those movies who film in all kinds of well known places and in the films people get shot/killed/stabbed etc. God I wish polis and other such people who know nothing about games would just go out and buy one and have a good **** time!
4 years ago
DrTim wrote
Films don't cop this kind of s***. What about all those movies who film in all kinds of well known places and in the films people get shot/killed/stabbed etc.
i was actually just thinking this, but with a specific example in mind.

28 Days Later.
Jim awakes from his Coma, wonders around a deserted London and finds himself entering a church, and finds an infected man, who turns out to be the Priest.
Jim then Bludgeon's the man in order to escape.

now, i realise that there is no firearm in this scene, but surely the change from alien invader to infected priest makes up for this slight many more times over.

EDIT: forgot to include that this is filmed on location, not on a set.
4 years ago
Have you seen Harvey Keitel's Bad Lieutenant? A nun gets raped on the altar, as if video games are worse.
4 years ago
DancesInUnderwear wrote
Tony Blair = Nintendo Fanboy?
No, Tony Blair = Jesus fanboy. Of course he's going to side with the church
4 years ago
Tony Blair is the second most unpopular man in the world, behind george w of course. This being the case, he needs to find some new friends and fast. Where better than the cathoic church of which there are like a billion members.
4 years ago
Nev wrote
when in actual fact, it's more along the lines of Independence Day and War of the Worlds - neither of which faced this kind of condemnation for featuring public landmarks.
That's a really solid point, Americans loved seeing their whitehouse blown to smithereens in contrast to this.

It's a storm in a tea cup because it's a religious building.It's sci-fi(fi means fiction, remember, not real) so they should chill out a bit.
4 years ago
the doag wrote
Tony Blair is the second most unpopular man in the world, behind george w of course. This being the case, he needs to find some new friends and fast. Where better than the cathoic church of which there are like a billion members.
Slight problem there - it's the Church of England that has the problem, not the Catholic Church (in this instance, anyway).

He's on his way out and needs to showboat as much as possible to try to stop his legacy as an effective leader being totally slimed (too bad about all that Iraq stuff, hey?).

What politician actually bothers to know what they're talking about before expressing a popular opinion?
4 years ago
I honestly don't see the dilemma? How does this disturb people who see it. Its simply a building. It wasn't as if there were priests bodies laid strewn about the place.

If the British PM doesn't have anything better to do than comment on video games then he should try playing one and find out what its all about.

As for the church; they should keep their fiction away from my fiction. At least my fiction is entertaining.
4 years ago
Seriously, Howard will be in there next with his eyebrows backing him up. Anyways in regards to the chruch of england, i present the following =
4 years ago
Of course he objects, it's an American game using the church. I'm sure it would be ok if Dr Who did it.
4 years ago
^ LOL! @ Ctrl+Alt+Delete

Perfect sum up! icon_biggrin.gif
4 years ago
^ budda-bing, budda-clamps! same here
nicely done to CTRL+ALT+DEL and quick response
4 years ago
Love the comic icon_lol.gif

Blair's comments remind me of that little brown noser creature that was hanging around Jabba the Hutt in Return of the Jedi.

Mind you he and Howard do that anyways with Bush

EDIT: To pay homage to this dispute, my new avatar will be that of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

May his noodely appendage bless all icon_cool.gif
4 years ago
eviladrian wrote
I'm sure it would be ok if Dr Who did it.
icon_eek.gif

I would SO tape that episode...

"But Doctor! That delta wave won't just destroy the Daleks, it'll also wipe out the Church of England!"

"I know... Fantastic!"
4 years ago
Sure movies do it, games do it, magazines do it, lots of cretins do it - still doesn't mean it's appropriate.

Look I'm going hard against Sony on this because not so long ago they ran an advert that played on pedophilia. - Absolutely positively out of line right there. Sony ran this advertisement involving a 40 year old man & a young boy in a toilet - the middle aged man perves down at the boys crotch area whilst he is urinating and asks him if he can touch it.

A few months later they took a derogatory shot at women with "PSP is cheaper than your girl" advertisement and followed up with a girl sitting on a toilet with her pants down on front page of their playstation magazine. Sorry sorry sorry they said then stuck up the outright racial PSP White on Black poster crap, then OK'ed the dumb ass goat slaughter thing....

Gaming does not need such reckless behavior - It does serious damage to the industry. Sony are a bunch of loosers.
4 years ago
Nev wrote
eviladrian wrote
I'm sure it would be ok if Dr Who did it.
icon_eek.gif

I would SO tape that episode...

"But Doctor! That delta wave won't just destroy the Daleks, it'll also wipe out the Church of England!"

"I know... Fantastic!"
Already done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lazarus_Experiment

Except instead of shooting the 'alien', he played the organ loudly. A bit like Spiderman 3.
4 years ago
Cookie wrote
Sure movies do it, games do it, magazines do it, lots of cretins do it - still doesn't mean it's appropriate.

Look I'm going hard against Sony on this because not so long ago they ran an advert that played on pedophilia. - Absolutely positively out of line right there. Sony ran this advertisement involving a 40 year old man & a young boy in a toilet - the middle aged man perves down at the boys crotch area whilst he is urinating and asks him if he can touch it.

A few months later they took a derogatory shot at women with "PSP is cheaper than your girl" advertisement and followed up with a girl sitting on a toilet with her pants down on front page of their playstation magazine. Sorry sorry sorry they said then stuck up the outright racial PSP White on Black poster crap, then OK'ed the dumb ass goat slaughter thing....

Gaming does not need such reckless behavior - It does serious damage to the industry. Sony are a bunch of loosers.
Sure all that crap was a bad play by Sony, but this time they're in the right. Really, the Church of England is only launching this ridiculous tirade against Sony because it wants the publicity, and Blair is riding that. It's completely unfair that one form of entertainment can feature landmarks blowing up while a videogame that simply has the Church as a backdrop is attacked. Try to ignore your anti-Sony sentiments right now and understand that the Church isn't just attacking Sony, they're attacking the gaming industry as a whole.
4 years ago
This sh!t makes me so angry its not funny. It's nothing but an attention grab from a bunch of ignorant f*cking pedophiles who realise they're no longer relevant in this day and age and so attack one of the most prominent forms of entertainment (entertainment being something most religious types find hard to comprehend... just look at Jack Thompson) to get noticed. The mention above about Blair being unpopular and so jumping on the bandwagon is also 100% correct. It seriously makes me sick. The 28 Days example above is also bang on the money... although don't mention it too much, that movie'll get banned if they take their heads out of their a$$es and actually watch it (LOL who am I kidding, like they even actually see/play any of the stuff they protest about).

And to the guy saying he's actually FOR this sh!t, do the genepool a favour and hang yourself, seriously. Or learn to cultivate a sense of humour. I for one like those Sony ads; the 'pedophile' one you mentioned is just plain funny, and it's uptight w@nks like yourself who ruin it for people who actually like to have fun.

*deep breath*
Ok. Rant over.
4 years ago
RhysDeschain wrote
This sh!t makes me so angry its not funny. It's nothing but an attention grab from a bunch of ignorant f*cking pedophiles who realise they're no longer relevant in this day and age and so attack one of the most prominent forms of entertainment (entertainment being something most religious types find hard to comprehend... just look at Jack Thompson) to get noticed. The mention above about Blair being unpopular and so jumping on the bandwagon is also 100% correct. It seriously makes me sick. The 28 Days example above is also bang on the money... although don't mention it too much, that movie'll get banned if they take their heads out of their a$$es and actually watch it (LOL who am I kidding, like they even actually see/play any of the stuff they protest about).

And to the guy saying he's actually FOR this sh!t, do the genepool a favour and hang yourself, seriously. Or learn to cultivate a sense of humour. I for one like those Sony ads; the 'pedophile' one you mentioned is just plain funny, and it's uptight w@nks like yourself who ruin it for people who actually like to have fun.

*deep breath*
Ok. Rant over.
OK, calm down, have some dip

This may cheer you up...

4 years ago
All I can say about the dispute:
4 years ago
This is nothing but politics: a Dorothy Dixer to allow a scripted light hearted discussion rather than address issues other people might raise.
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