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14 Feb, 2008

Dark Sector refused classification in Australia

360 News | Game not dead in Australia yet.
One of the first announced "next generation" titles was Dark Sector. We were lucky enough to get a hands on with the game at the recent eGames expo.

(AFA Interactive), the game's distributor in Australia has confirmed today that Dark Sector has been refused classification by the OFLC. D3P will be releasing a formal statement on the ban shortly, but Adam Zweck, AFA's product manager made the comment that "This is certainly not the end of the line for the game however, just a pretty substantial, but temporary, set-back."

According to IGN, the OFLC's report on Dark Sector describes the title as a "violent and sometimes gruesome game with a sinister storyline and ominous outcome. The violence and aggression inflicted upon the protagonist is of a high level, naturalistic and not stylised at all."

Apparantly there are several paragraphs detailing some of the excessive examples of violence in the game and the impact it will have, the impact "exceeds strong and as such cannot be accomplished in a MA15+ classification."

One such example of the extreme violence is "When Hayden cuts off his opponent's limb with the glaive, large amounts of blood spray forth from the stump and the injured person screams in agony which increases the impact." The report also mentions that some of the most violent elements of the gameplay, including "decapitation, dismemberment of limbs accompanied by large blood spurts, neck breaking twists and exploding bodies with post-action twitching body parts" are "relatively easy to accomplish".

Related Dark Sector Content

Dark Sector re-classified in Australia
06 Jul, 2008 No longer refused classification.
Australia to receive 'toned down' Dark Sector
01 Apr, 2008 Domestic version to be based on Japanese build.
Dark Sector Preview
27 Feb, 2008 We go hands on with the RC version. Should you care about the ban?
44 Comments
3 years ago
God damn it, this was a major title for me.

Guess I'll be importing it on PS3 then, stick it to the man.
3 years ago
what for?

i'd never actually heard of this game before, and the screens don't really give any obvious reason, and the OFLC website doesn't mention this this yet, so i'm just interested in why.
3 years ago
Bah, the OFLC needs a reality check, along with every other ratings board around the world.

/rant.
3 years ago
Ninja Gaiden 2 is screwed.
3 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
what for?

i'd never actually heard of this game before, and the screens don't really give any obvious reason, and the OFLC website doesn't mention this this yet, so i'm just interested in why.
My guess would be because you can do combat moves that remove limbs and still have the enemy alive screaming etc, i think that was one of the main reasons behind Soldier of Fortune not getting a rating too. AFAIK they have some rule about games that you're allowed to remove limbs, but the character cant stay alive screaming etc with a limb missing.
3 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
what for?

i'd never actually heard of this game before, and the screens don't really give any obvious reason, and the OFLC website doesn't mention this this yet, so i'm just interested in why.
The death screens are the most gruesome I have ever heard in a game, and the game is pretty violent too, especially his throwing star thing. I only recently started watching game footage over the past few weeks, and it looks really good.
3 years ago
that is probably some of the worst news i have heard for a while..........

god I hope its legal to import the "uncensored" version if it comes to that..
3 years ago
Shadow Wave wrote
that is probably some of the worst news i have heard for a while..........

god I hope its legal to import the "uncensored" version if it comes to that..
Even if it's illegal to import the title from overseas, hasn't stopped people before from importing such banned titles as:

GTA 3
Manhunt
Manhunt 2
Leisure Suit Larry: MCL
Postal
Postal 2

etc etc icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif
3 years ago
I'm so sick of Australia's backwards ratings system. And it irritates me when a game gets banned and people say 'Oh well, it looked like a crappy game anyway.' Whether it's a good game or not is completely beyond the point. It's the fact that a bunch of people are deciding what we can and cannot play. It's freaking 2008 and we're still going through this censorship crap.
3 years ago
How do they justify not having an 18+ classification for games again?
3 years ago
I'm starting to see a trend that sees us spiralling in reverse towards what QLD had in the 80's, except the whole country has joined in now.

I've said it once, i'll say it again, go watch Takashi Miike's Dead or Alive and tell me that isn't the most offensive thing you've seen on film, yet i can trot down to any JB and grab a copy icon_rolleyes.gif
3 years ago
NegativeZero wrote
How do they justify not having an 18+ classification for games again?
When I called the OFLC over the SOF Payback incident, I asked exactly the same question. She couldnt think of an answer, so she asked if she could call back. She called back 4 hours later, and said, "violent videogames can turn you into a violent offender or ever murderer" and I was kind of shocked and annoyed that she took so long to call back, so I said "what, like how zombie blood turns you into a zombie?", to which she replied, "that seems to be the same type of principal". I then asked, "well what about Saw 4 and Hostel?" to which she replied, "I dont think those movies have made any murderers yet".

Sometimes I hate living here.
3 years ago
mipac wrote
NegativeZero wrote
How do they justify not having an 18+ classification for games again?
When I called the OFLC over the SOF Payback incident, I asked exactly the same question. She couldnt think of an answer, so she asked if she could call back. She called back 4 hours later, and said, "violent videogames can turn you into a violent offender or ever murderer" and I was kind of shocked and annoyed that she took so long to call back, so I said "what, like how zombie blood turns you into a zombie?", to which she replied, "that seems to be the same type of principal". I then asked, "well what about Saw 4 and Hostel?" to which she replied, "I dont think those movies have made any murderers yet".

Sometimes I hate living here.
Wow, whoever you talked to sounds like a real moron. Is that really what she said? If it is, then the level of intelligence at the OFLC is even lower than I suspected.

I wonder how many murders motivated by video game violence have occurred in Australia?

I would suspect uhhhhhhhhhhh...


...zero.
3 years ago
^^

I'd say the justification is that the word "game" still conjures images of little kiddies playing tiddly winks, and we all know what happened after those kids playing tiddly winks started playing GTA, nothing, nothing at all.

Ah, somehow i don't expect everyone working at the oflc to know in detail the finer points of every piece of filmed entertainment that comes their way.
3 years ago
Toastfarmer wrote
mipac wrote
NegativeZero wrote
How do they justify not having an 18+ classification for games again?
When I called the OFLC over the SOF Payback incident, I asked exactly the same question. She couldnt think of an answer, so she asked if she could call back. She called back 4 hours later, and said, "violent videogames can turn you into a violent offender or ever murderer" and I was kind of shocked and annoyed that she took so long to call back, so I said "what, like how zombie blood turns you into a zombie?", to which she replied, "that seems to be the same type of principal". I then asked, "well what about Saw 4 and Hostel?" to which she replied, "I dont think those movies have made any murderers yet".

Sometimes I hate living here.
Wow, whoever you talked sounds like a real moron. Is that really what she said? If it is, then the level of intelligence at the OFLC is even lower than I suspected.

I wonder how many murders motivated by video game violence have occurred in Australia?

I would suspect uhhhhhhhhhhh...


...zero.
I am dead serious that is what she said. She didn't even seem to care about games, she acted like they were for kids. Yay for ignorance.
3 years ago
NegativeZero wrote
How do they justify not having an 18+ classification for games again?
From memory they're not allowing a 18+ rating because kids can still obtain the games and it cant be enforced well enough to guarantee they wont, so they just ban the titles from entering the country completely. Thats how they justify it for games, yet for some magical reason kids cant obtain movies and pornography just as easily, so thats why they're allowed a adult only rating!

Someone feel free to correct me, but thats my understanding on why they refuse to provide a proper rating for games, despite the average gamer being what, 25-30 now?
3 years ago
Oh, so it was the video games all along. Even before they were invented and people were murdering, it was still the video games. Next time someone says "X can turn someone into Y", ask them for proof. If they cannot supply it, then their claim are no more valid than the ones you made about Saw.

More importantly, I wasn't aware that adults over 18, who are able to drink, smoke and drive (all activities more likely to kill someone than playing games) aren't able to make their own informed decisions regarding the media they partake in. Luckily our super nanny government is here to tell us what we can watch/play and when our bedtimes are.
3 years ago
OFLC just annoy me so much

as an adult gamer i am pissed that some board of morons think that they are some how above me and see fit to tell me what i can and can't play.

What the hell gives goof balls the right to dictate the sort of games i can play?

im also angry that they are doing all this based on an UNPROVEN "theory" that violent games make for violent people.



also anoying that all this censoring is being done by people who grew up not wearing bra's and having orgys in public areas while High and or Drunk.
3 years ago
im just getting annoyed looking at the disc covers or the back of cases, that have the PAL rating and sometimes other area's too and they all say 18+, and then theres our rating in the corner that says 15... annoying!

I wonder if come the next Prime Minister election we get petition to say we will not vote for Kevin Rudd if he does not give us a R18 rating and if it gets a lot of votes, it would be interesting what happens. But anyway that wont happen lol, and i prefer Kevin Rudd than another recent PM at the moment.
3 years ago
They will never bring in a R18+ rating, until our generation is in control of the government. While the old tards of the previous generation of Australians are in control of the governmeant with their hypocritical views and ideals they will never give us what we want.

The old codjures will die eventually and we will have control and things will be sweet as. To a degree.
3 years ago
if mothers new that most of the M and MA games were out today were actually R everywhere else, im sure oppinions may change.
3 years ago
Shadow Wave wrote
if mothers new that most of the M and MA games were out today were actually R everywhere else, im sure oppinions may change.
Americas R rating is a joke. Have you seen some of the things they rate R? I'm talking innocent romantic comedies here. Truth be told most of the things America gives an R rating to only end up as M here because they are TAME. I do not understand their system, perhaps less so even than ours, but at least they *have* adult ratings.

bozza wrote
NegativeZero wrote
How do they justify not having an 18+ classification for games again?
From memory they're not allowing a 18+ rating because kids can still obtain the games and it cant be enforced well enough to guarantee they wont, so they just ban the titles from entering the country completely. Thats how they justify it for games, yet for some magical reason kids cant obtain movies and pornography just as easily, so thats why they're allowed a adult only rating!

Someone feel free to correct me, but thats my understanding on why they refuse to provide a proper rating for games, despite the average gamer being what, 25-30 now?
I believe you're right about their reasons though its true kids cannot access pornographic DVDs and videos as easily as they can games. Most stores, whether they say they will or not, do not check ID when people buy games and will gladly sell MA rated games to 12 year olds - this does not happen with porn. You can't use Internet porn as an excuse either as that is considered piracy, the equivalent of downloading a commercial game.

In any case, it may sound like I agree with them but I don't. No matter what their justifications are it's censorship and its unfair to those of us who do want these games and are over 18.

As a side note: The censorship in the PAL version of No More Heroes disgusts me. Inexcusable butchering of a game. I have never met a single person in my life who I would consider to have been warped by violence in a video game.

And screaming dismemberment was in Jedi Outcast. Explain that OFLC!!
3 years ago
Peveus while i know they rate everything R, its still a valid point to make, and for innocent soccer mums it could turn some things around possibly.
3 years ago
Peveus wrote
I believe you're right about their reasons though its true kids cannot access pornographic DVDs and videos as easily as they can games. Most stores, whether they say they will or not, do not check ID when people buy games and will gladly sell MA rated games to 12 year olds - this does not happen with porn. You can't use Internet porn as an excuse either as that is considered piracy, the equivalent of downloading a commercial game.

In any case, it may sound like I agree with them but I don't. No matter what their justifications are it's censorship and its unfair to those of us who do want these games and are over 18.

As a side note: The censorship in the PAL version of No More Heroes disgusts me. Inexcusable butchering of a game. I have never met a single person in my life who I would consider to have been warped by violence in a video game.

And screaming dismemberment was in Jedi Outcast. Explain that OFLC!!
Pornography may have been taking it a bit too far i agree, im sure it'd be fairly strictly monitored and enforced, i should have just left the comparison at movies, which i think have just as much chance ending up in the hands of kids as games do.

If they're really that concerned about kids obtaining a R rated game, then maybe increase the warning size for specifically 18+ games? Something to distinguish it from a simple MA15+ rating, instead of just the rating box in the corner maybe have a label that runs along the bottom inch of the case in red so parents and store attendants are more aware it contains adult content. Forgive me if this is already the case with movies, to be honest i havent seen a r18+ rating for a movie in a while.
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Australian Release Date:
  10/10/2008 (Confirmed)
Standard Retail Price:
  $99.95 AU
Publisher:
  AFA Interactive
Genre:
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Year Made:
  2007

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